Main Index MAIN
INDEX
Search Posts SEARCH
POSTS
Who's Online WHO'S
ONLINE
Log in LOG
IN

Forum Home: General: Yoga Forum:
True Essence of Yoga
yoga teaching forum home for discussions between students and teachers

 

 


dattaswami
Forum Advanced Yogi

Jun 1, 2007, 3:50 AM

Post #1 of 6 (686 views)
Shortcut
True Essence of Yoga Can't Post

True Essence of Yoga
Yoga is the most prestigious field of spiritualism. People think about 6 wheels (Chakras) or lotus flowers present in the spinal card, which are not seen by the eyes. They are imaginary and so they carry some inner meaning. When you say a face as a moon, fools search for moon in that face. But, wise people see similarity in the face and moon. Similarly, wheels and lotus flowers should not be searched in the spinal card. Spinal card is the main nerve, representing mind, which is the base of love.

All these wheels or lotus flowers are the bonds of love in the various relatives like parents, wife or husband, children etc. They are compared to wheels or the revolving whirlpools in the ocean, which attract a swimmer and drown him. Similarly, these love wheels are compared to lotus flowers, since the lotus flowers attract the bee by sweet fragrance and bind it. Similarly, these love flowers attract any one and bind them. “Kundalini” is the mind which is the energy travelling as waves like a serpent, should cross all these love wheels connected to 7th lotus flower in the head called “Sahasrara”, which is Buddhi or intelligence that takes the decision, which is the firm love on God.

Bhagavat Gita is called as the main scripture of Yoga (Yoga-Sastra). Why there is not even single reference to these wheels or lotus flowers in anywhere in Gita or even in Upanishats? Since they are not real, they are not even mentioned. The author of the Gita was Krishna, who was called Master of Yoga (Yogeswara). Krishna also says that the real yoga was lost since long (Sa kaleneha mahata….). This means that in the beginning, Sages in India knew the real yoga and loved God only crossing all their family bonds. In due course of time only, this true yoga was lost. Why? The middle age Indians were unable to cross their family bonds and so failed to succeed in Yoga.

They wanted to cover their in ability by twisting the very concept of yoga. The family bonds were removed from the concept and only wheels or lotus flowers are left fixed. Now, they close the eyes and say that they have seen the lotus flowers or wheels, which are only imaginary. Now they cross these wheels by their imaginary “Kundalini” and say that they have succeeded in Yoga. These blind teachers are also not to be blamed, because they were trained like that by their blind teachers. This misinterpretation was done long time back and hence, even at the time of Krishna, He told that yoga was lost since a long time.

We cannot catch those original culprits, who were the top most twisting masters and so the present tradition also cannot be blamed. Only rectification is the way left over. Some say that they see light, which is only an imagination. After all, the mind is a form of energy and on its concentration imaginary light can be imagined. Instead of such a week light, you better see a strong light with your open eyes. What is the use of these imaginary lights and colours, without achieving the Lord through your love, which excels the various worldly, loves.

I pity the foreigners, who are trapped in this false imaginary line of yoga, who are wasting their precious lifetime and energy. In fact, they are the best to succeed in yoga, if the reality of the yoga is exposed. Their family bonds are very weak and their love towards God is real, which is proved by their huge sacrifice of money to God’s work. Money is the fruit of work and its sacrifice for God’s work is “Karma phala tyaga” as mentioned in Gita. Again, the middle age Indians twisted this word “Karma phala tyaga” as sacrifice of the fruit of the work like praying God instead of sacrifice of money.

The reason was that these Indians were unable to sacrifice money to God due to their strong love on their children. Foreigners ask their children to earn after certain age. Indians store money even for ten generations and still continue to store only. Since prayers, meditation and knowledge are very much diverted to God, India was blessed by God with good language, good mind and good knowledge.

Since foreigners are good in sacrifice, God blessed them with good wealth. Even Indian spiritual centres were strongly funded by foreigners only. Swami Vivekananda cried, “Why my India suffers with poverty in spite of so much spiritual knowledge?” Sacrifice of money (Karma phala tyaga) and sacrifice of work (karma Sanyasa) put together constitute the God’s service, which is the real Yoga (real proof of love) called “Karma yoga” in Gita. Foreigners are the best in this karma yoga and so they easily succeed in yoga. Throughout Gita, this karma yoga was explained as yoga and wheels or lotus flowers are not at all mentioned.


ScottHughes
Yogi


Sep 10, 2007, 12:59 PM

Post #2 of 6 (555 views)
Shortcut
Re: [dattaswami] True Essence of Yoga [In reply to] Can't Post

Wow, that's a nice article. Did you write that yourself?

Overall, I think it makes some good points, but parts are a tad negative. I think yoga tends to be more inclusive than exclusive, and there's no need to call anybody culprits or whatnot. Each person develops their own spirituality in the way they think is best. Spiritual development comes from the inside oneself.


Online Yoga Club | Yoga Forums


dattaswami
Forum Advanced Yogi

Sep 11, 2007, 12:31 AM

Post #3 of 6 (553 views)
Shortcut
Re: [ScottHughes] True Essence of Yoga [In reply to] Can't Post


In Reply To
Wow, that's a nice article. Did you write that yourself?

Overall, I think it makes some good points, but parts are a tad negative. I think yoga tends to be more inclusive than exclusive, and there's no need to call anybody culprits or whatnot. Each person develops their own spirituality in the way they think is best. Spiritual development comes from the inside oneself.



The reality about present status of Yoga

In Pravrutti (Path of Justice) today the dignified statement is that one is working in U.S.A. But, if you go and really see him there, he will be working as a labor! Similarly, in Nivrutti (path of loveing service to God) the dignified statement is that one is practicing Yoga. But if you go and really see him in the Yoga centre, he will be doing certain exercises to attain mental and physical health. He has no connection with spiritual field. Yoga is purely spiritual field. Mental and physical health is needed not only for spiritual field but also needed for materialism. It is a general basic requirement of the life of even an atheist.

Hanuman is the top most star in Yoga in all the steps. His physical and mental health is in climax. He did not open a workshop to guide the professional carrier of people on the earth. After attaining the best physical and mental health and after completing the studies of both Pravrutti and Nivrutti from Sun, He realized that meeting the then human incarnation was the real Yoga. He was waiting on the hill of Kishkindha to meet Lord Rama. All His mental and physical health was used completely in the service of Lord Rama. He did not use it in His professional carrier. We will be astonished to see that He dedicated all His vigor in the personal service of Rama to search and get back His wife. He did not use it in His personal service.

Just this is the difference between the present people in Yoga centre who use the results of the preliminary Yoga (Mental and Physical health) for their personal work and Hanuman who used the same results for the personal work of Rama. In this preliminary Yoga, you have to replace yourself and your family by God. Up to the work needed to maintain yourself and your family, which is needed to serve the mission of God there is no sin in using the strength of mental and physical health obtained by preliminary Yoga. But to use it for unlimited ambition with selfishness is a sin. For such sinners, the only way to enter the spiritual field is to shell down the excess earned by sin in the mission of God on this earth (Karma Phala Tyaga). When a rich man approached Jesus, He suggested such total sacrifice of the sinful money as a pre-requisite to enter the spiritual field.



Anil Antony

www.universal-spirituality.org
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org


(This post was edited by dattaswami on Sep 11, 2007, 12:33 AM)


dattaswami
Forum Advanced Yogi

Sep 11, 2007, 12:34 AM

Post #4 of 6 (551 views)
Shortcut
Re: [ScottHughes] True Essence of Yoga [In reply to] Can't Post


In Reply To
Wow, that's a nice article. Did you write that yourself?

Overall, I think it makes some good points, but parts are a tad negative. I think yoga tends to be more inclusive than exclusive, and there's no need to call anybody culprits or whatnot. Each person develops their own spirituality in the way they think is best. Spiritual development comes from the inside oneself.


Poeple are behind first 3 steps in Yoga only

People want the Yoga up to first five stages only which is just helpful to their materialism. This much is desired even by an atheist. There is no difference between a devotee and an atheist up to this point. If we show the higher three steps related to God, the devotees become certainly interested. But their interest is again to strengthen their materialism (Pravrutti) only by the upper three steps (Nivrutti). In Nivrutti, the first point of a devotee is about the super power that can do miracles. Such enquiry about miracles is not for recognition of God and not for doing service to God. In the first stage they say that they need the proof of miracles just only for recognition of God to develop in the spiritual field. God is trapped by them due to His infinite kindness and shows the proof hoping that they will turn to the spiritual line.

After seeing the proof, they become very strong devotees and God is again trapped by their talented devotion. They show the climax of theoretical devotion. They do sacrifice of work and fruit of work also to prove that they have achieved the final step of divine service and that they have been really transformed. After some time, when they are sure that God is fully trapped by them, the hidden desire to use His super powers for personal problems comes up in a very sweet coated manner. They plead that the problem is disturbing them from doing the divine service. For the third time, God is again trapped.

God solves their problem with His super power behind which the secret technology exists. He uses the fruits of their own good deeds to solve the problem because their devotion is doubtful. Now they start using the super power of God for every problem in chain. There is no end to this chain. God refuses to solve the problems. Suddenly they discard this human form of God and search for another human form of God repeating the same procedure. They think that they have fooled the previous God and could solve at least a few problems by their talent of film action. But they have not fooled God because no one can fool God.

God has spent from their own bank by withdrawing the fruits of their own good deeds as pre-matured deposits with reduced value. When they approach the new God, history repeats. Even if the new God is not genuine and is a demon, even then, the super power working through that demon is also from the same God, who is present in the previous discarded God only. You may go to another human form of God or a demon, there is no use because the same God exists in another human form and the power of the same God works through that demon. You have changed only the external forms but not the internal God who is one only. If there were several Gods, your trick becomes fruitful. Even if you run to temples, priests, astrologers etc., there is no use because your problem can be solved only by that one God.

The priests have to use the same power of the same God. Planets are the executive powers of the same God. Therefore, there is no use of changing the God. You must change yourself. There is no other way than this even in the infinite span of time. If you stick to the previous real human form of God, you can change yourself because He will guide you by preaching the most powerful divine knowledge and brings determination in you by clearing all your doubts. Therefore, if you have caught the real human form of God, use Him to uplift your soul (Uddhare datmana.. Gita). A rabbit took some money from goddess earth. It wanted to avoid the payment of loan to the earth. Therefore, it started running away to avoid the earth. After a very long run, it became tired and stood. Immediately the earth below its legs asked for the payment of the loan!








www.universal-spirituality.org
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org


ScottHughes
Yogi


Sep 11, 2007, 12:49 AM

Post #5 of 6 (550 views)
Shortcut
Re: [dattaswami] True Essence of Yoga [In reply to] Can't Post

You have said a lot, and given me a lot to think about. I can't respond to most of it, because it is deep and I must contemplate it. It is clear you have thought this over more than I, and I thank you for your well written words and thoughts.

All I have to say is that I think 'god' is just a word. The best descriptions of 'god' make 'god' out as the indescribable forces behind all metaphysical phenomenon, and they say that this 'god' is mostly incomprehensible by human minds. The main inherent difference between an atheist and theist is simply whether or not they use the word 'god' to refer to indescribable forces and hard-to-comprehend metaphysics. For that reason, I think even atheists can get some spiritual practice out of yoga, even if their life-focus is more practical and secular.


Online Yoga Club | Yoga Forums


dattaswami
Forum Advanced Yogi

Sep 11, 2007, 12:56 AM

Post #6 of 6 (549 views)
Shortcut
Re: [ScottHughes] True Essence of Yoga [In reply to] Can't Post


In Reply To
You have said a lot, and given me a lot to think about. I can't respond to most of it, because it is deep and I must contemplate it. It is clear you have thought this over more than I, and I thank you for your well written words and thoughts.

All I have to say is that I think 'god' is just a word. The best descriptions of 'god' make 'god' out as the indescribable forces behind all metaphysical phenomenon, and they say that this 'god' is mostly incomprehensible by human minds. The main inherent difference between an atheist and theist is simply whether or not they use the word 'god' to refer to indescribable forces and hard-to-comprehend metaphysics. For that reason, I think even atheists can get some spiritual practice out of yoga, even if their life-focus is more practical and secular.

Dear friend,

Thanks for the reply. Whenever you get time pl. try to read those replies.


God is unimaginable, uncomprehendable and beyond logic. The creation is the imagination of the Lord. 1%(qualitatively) of His imagination was converted into 'pure awareness' and does not contain God and 100% of this pureawarness has become the universe. Thus God does not exist in the creation. The creator is above creation and is unaffected by it.

The aim of the creation was the entertainment of Lord. God enters the creation through the finest item of the creation, i.e. human being. He enters the human body for giving His presence to the world. By doing so, He is not modified into that human body or soul. He is then known as 'Human Incarnation". He gives the facility of touch, talk and seeing to His dearest devotees who really wished to serve Him. Only His devotees identify Him rest all will mock Him seeing His human body.

The identification mark of Lord in Human form is the 'True Divine Knowledge', which removes our ignorance without any trace. He also does miracles whenever there is an urgency, and not for 'crowd pulling' or 'show'. He Himself is the founder of the rules of nature. By doing miracles He is violating His own rules, it is a violation of His own administration, thus He performs miracles whenever there is a great necessity. He should be identified by His divine knowledge.

God comes in every human generation in human form for the upliftment of Souls.

Yoga is like a physical excersise to get better health and concentration, even atheist can do this without any concept of God. But after attaining good health one should not stop there, one should please Lord through service to Him. God comes in human form in every human generation, He is available to you now in this generation also. You have to identify Him by His true divine knowledge.

 
 
 


Search for (options) Sponsored by Yoga.net.au  -  Terms of Use