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cayetanar
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Jun 2, 2005, 5:24 PM

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Does anyone know the difference between a Dynamic and Static asana? It's a very tricky question and difficult to answer.
Even though HAtha Yoga poses are hold static for a few breaths, we're still moving while breathing and stretching our muscles. Dynamic colud be ashtanga yoga ,where you link one pose to another trough a vinyasa sequence and ujjayi breathing. I would like to hear your opinions on this.

Thanks

Cayetana


Ajita
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Apr 24, 2006, 10:14 PM

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Dear Caytanar,


Many people confuse Asana's with gymnastics. So they approach Yoga with a Western look, but there is no such thing as "Dynamic vs static Asana's ". Nowhere in the old scriptures such distinction is made. Performing an Asana is not a moving exercise. It is a posture you stay in as long as possible, in total immobility. Only then you can benefit fully from the exercise. The root of the Sanskrit verb is As- which means "standing still" and even now the word Asana is used for a chair!

You can find more information about Asana's in a little article I wrote about "Fundamentals in Asana practice" under the topic of Asana in this forum.


Yours friendly,
Shri Yogacharya Ajita
(Philippe Barbier)
Director of The Raja Yoga Institute
Co-founder and Member of the Core Group of Samenwerkende Yogadocenten Nederland
Representative of Holland in the International Yoga Federation
Honorary Secretary of the International Yoga Federation for the European Union
President of the European Yoga Council
Member of the European Yoga Alliance
Member of the World Yoga Council


Arjunaweeping
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Sep 26, 2006, 9:38 AM

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Philippe

Yoga is itself not a static tradition - most of the asana that are used today were not used until relatively recent times. Patanjali would not recognise the Yoga practice that most Yogi-s follow these days. So you cannot say that moving into and out of a posture does not make it asana, dynamic postures have their place. Some of us feel they are more effective than static, particularly to meet the needs of stress-filled tight western householders' bodies (for whom asana practice was never envisaged in Ancient texts). This kind of yoga snobbery helps nobody, Yoga must evolve to meet the needs of the world not stay permanently stagnant in order to preserve a tradition that only meets the needs of a few.

Anyway, to answer Caytanar's question, what is the difference between static and dynamic postures? In a static posture you move into the position and stay there. In dynamic postures you move in and out of the posture repeatedly. A good and popular example of dynamic asana practice might be the many variations of the sun salutation, where you do not hold the psoition but move on to the next (do you not consider the Sun Salutation to be Asana practice Philippe?).

This dynamic approach to asana is useful for people whose bodies do not find it easy to stay in postures for periods of time, or in general for anyone whose body is stiff. It actually improves the flexibility of muscles and mobility of joints more rapidly than static postures, allowing people to quickly improve their physical bodies to the point where they can also hold static postures for longer. To say that you can only benefit from a posture by staying in it for long periods is nothing short of absolute rubbish!

Note that nobody says anywhere that dynamic (i.e. moving) has to mean fast, strong or gymnastic - dynamic postures are, for example, very useful to older students who do not have the physical capacity to hold postures for long. Some postures lend themselves more to static practice than others - e.g. headstand and shoulderstand are less easy to do in a dynamic fashion. That aside, moving in and out of postures can lead to a wonderful breath-led practice, allowing you to focus internally just as much as any static practice.

It's good for all of us to remember from time to time that no matter what our tradition, no matter what titles we have or which organisations we are directors, co-founders, members of, none of us have intellectual exclusivity over all the useful methods in this world of Yoga. If the use of dynamic postures was good enough for Krishnamacharya, it is good enough for me.

Cheers,

Scott

Explore Yoga: Ancient Wisdom for Modern Living
www.exploreyoga.co.uk

(This post was edited by Arjunaweeping on Sep 27, 2006, 6:37 AM)


Arjunaweeping
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Sep 26, 2006, 9:39 AM

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Ajita
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Sep 26, 2006, 8:06 PM

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Dear Scott,

You are using western knowledge to explain Asana, which is a mistake.
You are angry with me, because I have a different point of view. Please don't.
My intention is pure. Obviously I have hurt you with my words. I am sorry for that.

Yours friendly,
Shri Yogacharya Ajita
(Philippe Barbier)
Director of The Raja Yoga Institute
Co-founder and Member of the Core Group of Samenwerkende Yogadocenten Nederland
Representative of Holland in the International Yoga Federation
Honorary Secretary of the International Yoga Federation for the European Union
President of the European Yoga Council
Member of the European Yoga Alliance
Member of the World Yoga Council


Arjunaweeping
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Sep 27, 2006, 1:02 AM

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Philippe

Not using just western knowledge, have studied in India with Indian teachers who see things differently than you. If you think there is no room for dynamic asana then your understanding of Yoga must be incomplete.

I am not annoyed at you, but at the content and manner of the statements you made - they were dismissive and not presented as opinions but as fact. If you have an opinion state it as such , and try not to be so dismissive. If you don't it will comes across as really arrogant and annoy people whose opinions differ.

To be honest it really isn't as clear-cut as you made out from your post. You say, "asana should be..." but fail to point out that this is according only to your interpretation of a narrow viewpoint from certain selected sources. There is plenty of room in asana practice for dynamic and static practice.

Cheers,

Scott

Explore Yoga: Ancient Wisdom for Modern Living
www.exploreyoga.co.uk


Ajita
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Oct 3, 2006, 8:42 PM

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Dear Scott,

Apparently you have been in contact with Western influenced people in India, which you believed to be Yoga teachers. It would be wise to check the knowledge you receive before you conclude that it is right.

Your angriness and aggressivity to are clear to everybody. Even if you would be right in your argument, failing to practice the first step of Yoga, the Yama of non-violence, shows that you have to learn a lot about Yoga. But you will have to change your attitude, if you ever want to find a true teacher.

For people who are interested, my opinion about Asana as being exclusively "static" is based upon the following arguments:
1. Swami Yogeshverananda Sarasvati of Yog Niketan in Rishikesh, stating in his work "First Steps to Higher Yoga" that the practice of an Asana becomes perfect when held during 3 hours and 20 minutes.
2. The logic of the above statement is confirmed if one understands and practices the other seven steps of the eight steps of Yoga (Yama, Niyama, Asana, Pranayama, Pratyahara, Dharana, Dhyana and Samadhi). The final purpose of an Asana is to reach Samadhi in it.
3. Nowhere in the ancient basic scriptures of Hatha Yoga (Hatha Yoga Pradipika, Gheranda Samhita and Siva Samhita) there is a direct or even an indirect reference to a "dynamic" implementation of any Asana.
4. During 43 years of serious Yoga practice and teaching I have experienced the rightfullness of this approach.

If you have some more convincing arguments, dear Scott, please join me in this debate. But try to be polite this time.

Yours friendly,
Shri Yogacharya Ajita
(Philippe Barbier)
Director of The Raja Yoga Institute
Co-founder and Member of the Core Group of Samenwerkende Yogadocenten Nederland
Representative of Holland in the International Yoga Federation
Honorary Secretary of the International Yoga Federation for the European Union
President of the European Yoga Council
Member of the European Yoga Alliance
Member of the World Yoga Council


Arjunaweeping
Yogi

Oct 3, 2006, 9:09 PM

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Philippe

It is a renowned technique for people to enlist common opinion to their side to "win" arguements - your claims that my thoughts are "clear to everybody" are truly meaningless (and somewhat pathetic, have you nothing better to say than that, something constructive perhaps?). I wonder from someone who claims to know so much why you clearly do not put this into practice in your communications.

Email communications are renowned for giving false impressions, you simply cannot be sure that someone is angry from an email as they are void of non-verbal communication that humans use (often more than verbal) to communicate. If you think that I am angry or aggerssive then you are mistaken - perhaps I chose my words poorly. perhaps your own anger and aggression at being challenged as to your accuracy (when you clearly hold theoretical 'knowledge' in such high regard) are being reflected back (it is often said that "the boomerang always comes back"). I am being truly as polite as your arrogance permits.

It is indeed folly to get into arguement as we BOTH have done here. There is nothing that I have done in this debate that you have not done, so it seems pointless.

I follow your arguement, that from the sources with which you have studied and found to be true, you believe that Asana should only be static. That is entirely fine by me, you are entitled to your path as you see fit. However you seem to deny that any other path could be possible - this is what comes across in your posts as arrogance, whether you intended or not and this is why I responded so. I do ot wish to argue with oyu regarding your path, if that is your way then all isfine with me, I am pleased that you have foudn YOUR way. My annoyance was at the manner in which it was expressed, I thought I had already said that.

I am happy for you that you have found you path, your teacher, but this is no reason to disparage those of others - where is the Ahimsa in that? Many people could never hold, for physical or commitment reasons, any posture for 3 hours 20 minutes - where is the Ahimsa in that?

And just because there is no direct reference in particular scriptures to any approach being valid, does not mean that it excludes that possibility being so - do those scriptures specifically state "Asana should not involve movement"? I think not.

Yoga is an evolving system - look how it changed between the classical period and the later development of those Hatha Yoga texts you mention. Why is there any reason that it cannot evolve further in our modern times? Since mankind has evolved since then, and society has chaged, should not Yoga evolve to meet the differing needs of that society? You may be more of a raditionalist than I am, and that is fine - it does not negate my viewpoint, so why argue thus?

There is room in this world for both your opinion and mine. There is room for a different path to be followed by every person under the sun. And there is no reason for any person to pronounce their path as if it is "the only way" - that is why we have had so many religious and idealogical wars through the centuries.

Perhaps you might take your own advice on Ahimsa and consider the harm that is caused by expressing your point of view in such a way - and I will do likewise for mine, and we will both be better off for this exchange. Feel free to have the final word in this exchange, it saddens me that it has ended thus in miscommunication but I go now to consider my part and learn.

In sadness,

Scott

Explore Yoga: Ancient Wisdom for Modern Living
www.exploreyoga.co.uk


purnayoga
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Oct 8, 2006, 4:28 PM

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Your question deals with movement definitions. You're not really asking a question about yoga. And that's fine. Dynamic implies movement and static implies stationary. But the concept is much more compicated and depending on the context you will get different answers from those with different background. One who deals in muscle movement, a physical therapist here a Phsio in the UK, would give you a deeper definition (from their perspective).

There are times where simply is better as there are times with ethereal is better.

What is particularly of note in this thread ia the asmita concept of the Kleshas demonstrated by the two other posters. It's a wonderful lesson for which we should be deeply grateful.
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Arjunaweeping
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Nov 23, 2006, 1:39 AM

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What is particularly of note in this thread ia the asmita concept of the Kleshas demonstrated by the two other posters.


Never a truer word was said! <putting his mask to one side>

Smile

Scott

Explore Yoga: Ancient Wisdom for Modern Living
www.exploreyoga.co.uk


Carolyn
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Nov 28, 2006, 9:54 PM

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Dear all,
At this point I'd like to thank Rod for his amazing technical expertise in allowing this exchange to take place, as one doesn't offer hear an argument about yoga, and at times I feel we'd be better off for a good respectful debate (such as you have given us). And I'd like to give this feedback to the participants of this discussion - reading this exchange with an open heart in the comfort of my own cyber-space, I did not receive any sense of himsa from the participants, but a profound sense of each writer's satya, and the beauty and poignancy of the human voice, trapped as we each are in the limits of our own experience.
Much love, Carolyn.


Arjunaweeping
Yogi

Nov 28, 2006, 10:57 PM

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Thanks for those kind words, Carolyn. It is so very easy to become trapped in such "debates", frustrated and unable to effectively put forward your own perspective without the ego getting a chance to creep in. And then, once you realise it has, it is difficult not to view that exchange in a negative way. However your words help me see this thread for what it is - a learning experience, an opportunity to re-evaluate the way I communicate and choose to improve on that in the future. It is made so much easier when post like yours appears with a non-judgemental perspective that I can use as inspiration Smile

Sending that love back tenfold,

Scott

Explore Yoga: Ancient Wisdom for Modern Living
www.exploreyoga.co.uk


Carolyn
Yogi


Dec 10, 2006, 10:13 PM

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Invocation (from the Svetasvatara Upanishad, translation http://sanatan.intnet.mu/upanishads/svetasvatara.htm)

Om. That is full; this is full. This fullness has been projected from that fullness. When this fullness merges in that fullness, all that remains is fullness.
Om. Peace! Peace! Peace!

Om. May Brahman protect us both! May Brahman bestow upon us both the fruit of Knowledge! May we both obtain the energy to acquire Knowledge! May what we both study reveal the Truth! May we cherish no ill feeling toward each other!
Om. Peace! Peace! Peace!


Yoga Brisbane
Yogi

Feb 22, 2008, 12:31 PM

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youre point is very traditional and absolutely correct. the modern view of yoga (including dynamic movements) in the west and in india is a far cry from yoga expounded by the rishis. if we look at the reasons why people are attracted to dynamic postures, we can find that the underlying reason is that their minds are very dynamic. using dynamic movements with awareness will slowly help people to develop a stiller mind - of courne not totally still because they will have to remain in asana. and only with a still mind can we understand the true meaning of yoga.
i agree with you 100% and i like your way of thinking. at the same time there is a place for dynamic yoga because in this day and age most of us have dynamic minds.

Bharat Sharma
www.bvsyoga.com.au

 
 
 


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